New Republican 527 ad calls Barack Obama a Muslim

by Lakrosse, Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 12:11:45 AM EST

Check out the new smear ad from the National Campaign Fund, run by Floyd Brown, the creator of the Willie Horton ads

I wonder what McCain will say about this, if he's so honorable as he claims to be. Now we know why Obama opted out of public finance.




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Re: New Republican ad is full of it (2.00 / 2)

Yeah, of course. I think it's pretty telling when you can't attack someone on the issues. Really, they should just sling racial epitaphs and get it over with.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 12:13:53 AM EST

Re: New Republican ad is full of it (1.00 / 0)

idiots. this stuff backfires...

man what total idiots. sad day in the country for sure. not that he is - but like now muslim is a bad word too.


Rise / Repeat / But for god's sake don't spin!
by aliveandkickin on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 12:22:57 AM EST
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They're just getting started. (2.00 / 2)

This is nothing, frankly.

When Freedom's Watch gets involved, with a $250mm piggy bank, that's when the shit'll hit the fan.


by bobswern on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 05:07:37 AM EST
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Re: New Republican ad is full of it (none / 0)

I agree that this only hurts McCain.  It's like the Michelle Obama "proud" adds: I wrote a diary about this at the Giant Orange Satan that I may cross-post here.  Michelle O enjoys a huge favorability edge over Cindy McCain, I'm sure in no small part to the beatings she took in the national press over what was essentially a non-issue.  There is no re-introduction of a softer Michelle O, the campaign is putting her out front-and-center because she's actually more popular than her husband.

In regards to this muslim add, people won't see it because no media outlet will pick it up.  Which is unfortunate: this is the type of thing that will turn people off and further strengthen Obama against any Republican attacks, perhaps substantive ones, that emerge later in this election.  


by such sweet thunder on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 09:12:31 AM EST
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Re: New Republican ad is full of it (none / 0)

"epitaphs"

Yikes!  Freudian slip??

J/K  :-)


by ProgressiveDL on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 08:33:16 AM EST
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Repulsive. (2.00 / 1)

Didn't I just see a diary about Obama playing the race card by bringing up this stuff?

Anyway...disgusting ad.  Fuck their racism.


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 12:28:33 AM EST

POS effing commercial! (2.00 / 3)


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 12:40:38 AM EST

Deniel Pipes (1.25 / 4)

what a douche.


by Is This Snark on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 01:32:40 AM EST

Re: New Republican 527 ad (none / 0)

It's actually funny since the media has been claiming that there ARE no GOP 527s even in existence at this time -- a claim parroted on this site as well.

Obama said they can spring up fast, but this is astoundingly so.


by Beren on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 02:34:45 AM EST

Re: New Republican 527 ad (1.00 / 0)

we have our 527's but they have not stooped to this level as the Gop version.


Rise / Repeat / But for god's sake don't spin!
by aliveandkickin on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 02:54:21 AM EST
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Re: New Republican 527 ad calls Barack Obama a Mus (none / 0)

How many people buy this crap?


by devoted1 on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 02:55:16 AM EST

How many people buy this crap? (none / 0)

A relatively small number it's to be hoped...

by Beren on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 03:16:06 AM EST
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Re: New Republican 527 ad calls Barack Obama a Mus (1.00 / 0)

gop voters do. they did in the case of buying that mccain fathered an immigrant child {black} as they pitched it , in 2000.


Rise / Repeat / But for god's sake don't spin!
by aliveandkickin on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 04:05:00 AM EST
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Re: New Republican 527 ad calls Barack Obama... (2.00 / 2)

The New York Times has a profile today on that disgusting excuse for a political operative, Floyd Brown. Apparently he has experienced some serious fund raising trouble this time around, but tries to put a positive spin on it by claiming that major donors eventually will step forward.

"The vehicle will be there," he said. "The talent will be there. Everything's prepared."

Yikes! Alas, no doubt about it. As we all know, Mr Brown's only vehicle and talent is his ass...

Anyway, as was said above, this makes Obama's recent decision to opt out of public funding all the more important and sensible.


Grumpy, reluctant, sore-losing, unhappy, irritable Hillary supporter for Barack Obama 2008
by DemAC on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 04:07:24 AM EST

Re: New Republican 527 ad calls Barack Obama... (2.00 / 2)

Oh, and while I'm on the subject; help the products of Mr Brown's "vehicle" and "talent" remain in the privacy of his bathroom this time: Donate here!


Grumpy, reluctant, sore-losing, unhappy, irritable Hillary supporter for Barack Obama 2008
by DemAC on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 04:13:22 AM EST
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Re: New Republican 527 ad calls Barack Obama... (2.00 / 2)

This is a good article, but it really isn't very sympathetic to Mr. Floyd Brown:

Although he said he was mostly in the testing phase with the mailings, Mr. Brown has put out 700,000 pieces and collected more than $600,000 by mail this year, a vast majority in the last two months.

A little more than $600,000 on 700,000 mailings?
That's not much of a return (considering even mass mailing prices, printing and materials) for 700,000 mailings, is it?

Anyway, the best way to fight people like this is to donate to (and volunteer for!) Barack Obama


by skohayes on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 06:27:53 AM EST
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Re: (none / 0)

This ad is disgusting and offensive. But ultimately i think ads like this will backfire by making the Republicans look racist.

The depressing thing is that if Obama had been a Muslim when he was a kid then this would be a major campaign issue.

Its the kind of smear that people should laugh at, shrug their shoulders and say so what?

Its good that Obama's got a bio ad running to try and counter this kind of thing.


by liberalj on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 07:27:37 AM EST

Funny thing (none / 0)

It turns out that the other top guy on the National Campaign Fund, Doug Ramsey, was behind the "Citizens United Not Timid" Clinton-bashing scheme.

http://desertbeacon.blogspot.com/2008/06 /elephants-in-mud-mccain-donatelli-brown .html

Obama looks like a clairvoyant saying that these dirtbag 527s can "pop up pretty quickly."


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 07:47:12 AM EST

Is it still 13% who believe he is Muslim? (2.00 / 3)

The National Equirer still sells at the checkout stand...

My extended circle of friends includes those at the bottom of the meme pool, and while these folks are often the most reliable and big-hearted there is also a tendency to believe the funniest things.  I have had pleny of chances to counter the most outrageous smears against Sen. Obama already.

I'll say this as well, flames be damned.

The stubborn belief of some here (and, oh, at hillaryis44) that Obama:

- has been working some bizarre consipiracy with the DNC,
 - encourages/engages in race-baiting,
 - encourages/engages in sexist attacks,
 - had sex with Larry Sinclair,
 - is married to a woman who hates America,
 - flipped-off his fellow Democratic canidate on national television

...and on...

is just as asnine and paranoid as believing this 527 bullcrap.

So, all of you who are offended by my statement know exactly what I think. Your wild assertions are absolutely no different than believing this knuckle-dragging ad, no different than chattering about what Jerry Springer just said, no less contemptible than folks who cleave to the most clichè image like the swaztika-bearing cartoon of the neonazi in the comment down below.

Sorry if I cannot always restrain myself and calmly refute your offensive paranoia, but if you believe all of that crap about Obama then you are no different to those who will believe that the US government flew planes into NYC buildings and consorts with aliens.

-chris


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by chrisblask on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 09:00:44 AM EST
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Re: Is it still 13% who believe he is Muslim? (none / 0)

Uh noticing blatant misogyny (that for some reason people seem immune to @@) & that there is something up with the DNC right now is not quite the same as believing that Obama is a gay, muslim extremist (do those 2 things even work together?) with an America hating wife. I don't have to love Obama to know right wing GOP smear tactics when I see them. And FTR I have never even so much as thumbed through an issue of the Enquirer in the checkout line (of course the front page is impossible to miss).


by jrsygrl on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 09:18:35 AM EST
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The something up with the DNC (2.00 / 1)

is Ickes et al.

The hate for women (let's not be erudite about it) is coming not from the Obama campaign.  The sexism in the media and our society is its own problem.

Winning the flipping primary is a politician's job.  Sometimes thye succeed, sometimes they don't.  It does not have to be a conspiracy.

You don't have to read the Enquirer to engage in lowbrow conspiracy swill.  You can simply believe that your own misfortune is part of a grand plot to undermine you.

The shallow end of the meme pool is not only inhabited by those with low IQs.


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by chrisblask on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 09:27:56 AM EST
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Re: The something up with the DNC (none / 0)

Look there is an obvious internal party line sentiment against Clinton & the party was only too happy to see Obama get the nomination; in fact it worked very hard to chip away at her lead.  It doesn't take a conspiracy theorist to notice people's actions & take them for what they are.  And I believe alot of the party's sentiment against Clinton has to do with this country's deep rooted misogynistic tendencies (IOW traits a man exhibits are okay; when a woman does it she is insufferable).  Anyway it is neither here nor there but to lump the 2 things I mentioned here in the same breath as gay muslim theories is just ludicrous.


by jrsygrl on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 05:42:37 PM EST
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I have to disagree (none / 0)

and I am honestly tired of the mysoginist meme.  You do know that translates to "hatred towards women", right?  It is much more distinct and disgusting a word than "sexism" or "gender bias", which more appropriately describe what you are arguing existed.  Using this word is disingenuous at best, and intentionally baiting at worst.

Women hold positions of power throughout our culture that they did not when I was young.  This itself is an enormous step forward that my mother and many others worked hard for.  Through the lens of my own perspective, I did not see outrageous sexual bias in the media that was overwhelmingly more offensive than the "Baby Mama"/Human Events/Muslim headdress/Angy Black Women/etc racial bias that was targetted at the other candidate.  Both of the Democratic candidates suffered from the lingering prejudices of our society in relatively equal terms.

As far as the party is concerned, the only point of possible debate is the MI/FL decision of the DNC.  As the only question that could have been influenced by this body was whether their decision would make the pledged delegate lead of the current nominee somehow small enough that the other candidate could make and argument that the superdelegates could overrule the pledged delegates, it is more than difficult to see how this in any way is a rigging of the election.  The current nominee won more pledged delegates without support from the party whatsoever.

In fact, the past candidate began the primary with overwhelming support of the party, including its activity involving MI/FL to the point that her campaign chairman personally pushed stripping not half but all the delegates.

So we can disagree this is in the realm of other more bizarre conspiracy theories, but for all the extensive argument put forward to the contrary it still looks to me as fundamentally tenuous an argument as the others.

-chris


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by chrisblask on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 09:58:10 PM EST
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Re: I have to disagree (none / 0)

EXCUSE ME - but maybe as tired as you are of the "meme" I am MORE tired of having to live with it.  You don't know what you are talking about & it makes me want vomit that so many people are oblivious to the bullshit going on.


by jrsygrl on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 05:16:50 PM EST
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Re: I have to disagree (none / 0)

And to follow on  you threw in a line that stated Obama had  "no support from the party."   So to summarize you are oblivious to the misogynistic messages that have been quite pervasive & you somehow think that Obama did not have support from the party.  And I'm the one who is supposedly given too crazy thoughts @@


by jrsygrl on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 05:20:31 PM EST
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Yes, I did. (none / 0)

When the decision was made to take all the delegates from MI/FL, Sen. Obama did not have influence on the decision.  your candidate did.

And to your other comment, to repeat my question: You do realize that mysogyny means "hatred of women".  Not "gender bias", not "sexism", but "hatred of women".

Words matter, so to be clear:  your supposition is that all of the problems you perceive in the democratic primary as they relate to gender are due to those people who hate women?

If so, I believe you are barking mad and very sad. I'm sure we could find some few bitter bachelor men who actually hate women, lord knows we could probably find some self-hating women who hate all of their gender, but if you are asserting that your canidate suffered due to the widespread hatred towards women you and I will never agree.


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by chrisblask on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 06:06:11 PM EST
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Re: Yes, I did. (none / 0)

If you don't notice the downright vitriol that women are greeted with when they make visible, professional progress then your the one who is crazy.


by jrsygrl on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 09:00:51 PM EST
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OK, color me nuts. (none / 0)

And you are still saying men hate women.  All men?  Most?

Hate-baiter... ;-)


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by chrisblask on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 09:18:50 PM EST
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Re: OK, color me nuts. (none / 0)

When did I say that all men hate women? I am talking about societal reaction to successful women - which for some reason tends to seem very emotionally charged & hostile.  And being a woman in the workplace with this is super cute, especially when other women try to pretend like it doesn't exist.  And once again the  irony is that I don't look like any "womyn" stereotype; I simply allow myself to see what is occurring around me & not be afraid to express awareness of this, even if the sentiment isn't popular.  I try not to let the everyday point of view dictate my thought process, even though it is certainly much easier to do so then consider the alternatives.


by jrsygrl on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 10:03:13 PM EST
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I'm being pedantic about words (none / 0)

and "mysogyny" means "hatred of women".  This is a far cry from gender bias, and it is important that we use correct words for things or we cannot have discussions.

There certainly remains an amount of "boys club" mentality in some realms of business.  Not at all in others and a spectrum in between depending on where the business is and what it is doing.  In most realms of high tech I'm involved in there isn't a second thought to it.

Not to say that any sort of unfair treatment should be tolerated, but sometimes one of the best ways to disarm it is to ignore it.  Other times the best is to push back.  You may have noticed that overall I tend to engage in both.... :~)

-best

-chris


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by chrisblask on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 10:51:19 PM EST
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Re: I'm being pedantic about words (none / 0)

I am using the correct term thank you :)

There is more then just mere bias at work here.


by jrsygrl on Mon Jun 23, 2008 at 09:34:47 AM EST
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Re: I'm being pedantic about words (none / 0)

OK, at least we know the basis to chat from.  We've beaten this poor diary near death and should nip this in the bud, but I would enjoy stripping down that meme with you some other time.  Hatred is just such a pointed and specific thing - and in my Polyanna worldview pretty darn rare when you really try to nail it down.  Hatred of half the species is particularly hard to swallow.

Thanks or sticking with me, though.  Enjoy!

-chris


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by chrisblask on Mon Jun 23, 2008 at 01:23:38 PM EST
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Re: Yes, I did. (none / 0)

And Obama had no influence on the MI/FL decision - I just processed what you wrote - your version of reality is very interesting.


by jrsygrl on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 09:01:46 PM EST
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Ya running a 286 there? (none / 0)

Very simple.  The FL/MI decision came about before the Obama political machine picked up steam.  That was pure McAuliffe and Ickes.


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by chrisblask on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 09:19:59 PM EST
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Re: Ya running a 286 there? (none / 0)

They counted the votes the way they did (which did not help Clinton & was not what she asked for but did resemble Obama's proposed solution) when the Obama machine was well underway.  And in other places on this thread people seem to assert it was over for Clinton a long while back; you can't have it both ways.

Whatever, the idea people seem to purport that in this day and age a grassroots movement would make someone who was a total outsider unseat a supposed insider is absolutely ludicrous & highly naive. It doesn't take a conspiracy theorist to understand the concept of politics. It exists on a daily basis even in the going ons in our everyday work environment. And when one considers how close things were there is NO way the DNC couldn't have gradually established good cause to ensure Clinton had the nomination or for a combo ticket, if she was such an insider & Obama the outsider.  Really, how hard is that to see?  It's not like I'm seeing life on mars here - just common everyday behavior at work...


by jrsygrl on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 09:58:51 PM EST
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Re: Ya running a 286 there? (none / 0)

Whatever, the idea people seem to purport that in this day and age a grassroots movement would make someone who was a total outsider unseat a supposed insider is absolutely ludicrous & highly naive.

Or maybe "optimistic".  While there are certainly politics at work, I think it is overly cynical to believe that there is nothing new in the world.  These intertoobs are not without impact, and the simple fact of this discussion proves that something has changed.  The political machines that existed prior to this election did do their work, and without intending offense it is my view that this was both the strenght of Sen. Clinton's campaign and in many ways its downfall.  Her "inevitable nomination" was so well machined that it was accepted with near unanimity (even by myself and my friends in Canada who barely follow news at all) even two years ago.  Inversely, this belief that there was no way an established and supported insider led to a variety of weaknesses in strategy that came back to bite.

And Sen. Obama was not a complete outsider, just a long-shot horse.  Very savvy planning on the political and strategic side including a full embrace of the potential of using new tactics to broaden the base of support paid off in spades.  Sometimes Rocky does get the shot at the title, and sometimes he actually wins.

-cheers

-chris


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by chrisblask on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 11:00:24 PM EST
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Re: Ya running a 286 there? (none / 0)

There is optimism & there is unrealistic. As time passes there comes less opportunity for those on the outside - The movie Rocky was made in the 1970s when, even then things were different, and was loosely based on a boxer from decades earlier...which kind of makes my point.  Time has solidified keeping outsiders outside. Clinton's advantage was largely perceived by the general public as another method of alienating them. Just b/c there is a perception doesn't make it true.  And being a member of the reality based community doesn't make one cynical or even pessimistic; just realistic.  
 
by jrsygrl on Mon Jun 23, 2008 at 09:37:39 AM EST
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Re: Ya running a 286 there? (none / 0)

As below, I'll let this thread chill for a future re-engagment, suffice to say that I have a much brighter view of the world.  No simply from foolishness, I would think, I've tested this view on the stages large and small and found good reason to still believe it.

Enjoy the wonderful word, JerseyGirl!

-chris


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by chrisblask on Mon Jun 23, 2008 at 01:26:03 PM EST
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"Gay, muslim extremist" (none / 0)

That ws a funny visual at first, but it did make me wonder how many Islamic hardliners might indeed be in the closet. I'd bet the same proportion as their right wing extremist equivalents here.


It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 09:33:59 AM EST
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Re: "Gay, muslim extremist" (none / 0)

Sure - I hear you-but I was more/less painting a picture.

The GOP will say anything even the statements seem on the surface contradictory, just to see what sticks where.


by jrsygrl on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 05:44:00 PM EST
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The repugnants (none / 0)

First, they have a problem with his Christian Minister. Now he is lying about being a Muslim. What other monumental BS issue will the repugnants use next?


The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers. -- Thomas Jefferson
by pollbuster on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 09:55:19 AM EST

Let them do their worst (none / 0)

I don't believe that after the past several months of Rev. Wright and other BS, that any supporters that have stuck with him are going to be influenced by more asinine allegations. The fringe elements that do buy into this were going to default to McCain anyway. They're preaching to the choir - I'd worry more were these funds going to GOTV efforts where they would arguably be better applied.

Both parties have embraced the same enduring misconceptions about the voters of their opponents. Back in '04 we thought Kerry's military service would appeal to the segment that savaged Bill's lack of service - or at least deflect the intensity of criticism. Of course it didn't: it only gave rise to the swiftboaters. And that's because few GOP voters were arriving at their choices through a process of logical deduction. It's like expecting sports fans to switch allegiance midway through a game, by proving that their team had fouled.

The GOP nurses similar hopes this cycle that McCain's past reputation for independence and moderation will lure defectors. But the fact is, the idiocy of the PUMA kind would have transpired regardless of who the GOP nominee was. I don't dispute that there's a disaffected fraction of Democrats, but the claimed reasoning behind their threatened defections have little to do with McCain. The "at least he wasn't misogynistic / attacking Hillary" line of reasoning has such little basis in reality that it could have been equally applied to Romney - or Brownback - or for that matter, to David Duke.


It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 10:17:59 AM EST

Re: New Republican 527 ad calls Barack Obama a Mus (none / 0)

This s** worked in 88 00 and 04, in various forms. Hope it doesn't work this time.


by NY Writer on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 12:20:52 PM EST


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