New Quinnipiac Poll! Obama up in OH, FL and PA (Updated)

A new poll just released by Quinnipiac University has Barack Obama leading John McCain for the first time in all three Swing States

Linky here (includes Cross-tabs): http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x2882.xml?Rele aseID=1187

Update: PPP has a new Poll out for VA. It is Obama +2
Linky here: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_Virginia_618.pdf



According to the cross-tabs, Obama is only getting 67% of the AA vote, with McCain pulling in a vastly overstated 32%. All I can say is ROTFLMAO!!!!

The Numbers:

FL: Obama 47, McCain 43
OH: Obama 48, McCain 42
PA: Obama 52, McCain 40

Obama has clearly received a bounce in a measure that hasn't been caught Nationally. If we keep working hard, and with a Post-Convention bounce to look forward to, this election could be a wipe out.

Some Nuggets from the poll:
In the three states, Obama leads McCain 10 to 23 percentage points among women, while men are too close to call. The Democrat trails among white voters in Florida and Ohio, but gets more than 90 percent of black voters in each state. He also has double-digit leads among young voters in each state.

Indies and Repubs are not to keen on an Obama/Hillary ticket (as expected right?)

While Democrats support the idea, independent voters in each state say Obama should not choose Sen. Clinton as his vice presidential running mate.

Results are:

* Florida: Democrats want Clinton on the ticket 57 - 33 percent while Republicans are opposed 59 - 17 percent and independents oppose it 46 - 37 percent;

* Ohio: Democrats want Clinton for Vice President 58 - 31 percent, but Republicans say no 60 - 19 percent and independents turn thumbs down 47 - 31 percent;

* Pennsylvania: Democrats say yes to Clinton 60 - 31 percent, while Republicans say no 63 - 20 percent and independents nix the idea 49 - 36 percent. "If Sen. Obama seriously is thinking about picking Sen. Clinton as his running mate, these numbers might cause him to reconsider. The people who really matter come November - independent voters - turn thumbs down on the idea. And, many say they are less likely to vote for him if he puts her on the ticket," Brown added.
more......
"One in five voters say McCain's age is a reason to vote against him. But overwhelmingly they don't see Obama's race as a factor at all - indicating that Americans are either much less concerned with race, or just don't want to tell callers what they really think on the subject."


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Re: New Quinnipiac Poll! Obama up in OH, FL and PA (2.00 / 4)

Oh btw, sorry for the short diary but what else is there to say.....


by rapcetera on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 08:34:09 AM EST

Where are the naysayers (none / 0)

and the concern trolls now?  Bring it on, you lot!


by ReillyDiefenbach on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 11:12:22 AM EST
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Re: New Quinnipiac Poll! Obama up in OH, FL and PA (none / 0)

ARG has Obama with a 5-point lead in Florida (49-44).

http://americanresearchgroup.com/


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by bosdcla14 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 02:34:29 PM EST
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Re: New Quinnipiac Poll! Obama up in OH, FL and PA (2.00 / 1)

Wow! I'm excited! But wait! Its ARG!!  Arrrrggghhh!


by rapcetera on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 03:19:07 PM EST
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Re: New Quinnipiac Poll! (2.00 / 1)

Damn, beat me to it!

This is fantastic news.  We absolutely should take heart, and hope.  Savor the flavor for a moment, gang.

Now, let's go kick some ass.  As has often been said, run like we're ten points down.  For all we really know, we are...


by Reaper0Bot0 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 08:34:10 AM EST

Re: New Quinnipiac Poll! Obama up in OH, FL and PA (2.00 / 1)

This is great news.  Looks like people don't want a Bush third term.


United we stand, divided we fall.
by mefeck on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 08:37:23 AM EST

Florida? Seriously? (none / 0)

I don't believe we'll carry Florida in the fall for a minute unless something major changes... but McCain's "The Constitution Sucks" initiative, combined with his "Brown Beaches and Dead Sea Life" project might just do it if he keeps at them.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 08:40:40 AM EST

Re: Florida? Seriously? (2.00 / 1)

I think the bounce from Florida really has to do with Clinton Voters coming home to Barack. Same can be said for his lead in OH and significant lead in PA


by rapcetera on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 08:43:18 AM EST
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Re: Florida? Seriously? (2.00 / 2)

McCain supports offshore drilling and privatizing social security.

Rinse and repeat.

Win Florida.


The primaries are over!
Focus on McCain
by really not a troll on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 08:46:09 AM EST
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A little too early for that (none / 0)

There hasn't been enough time for that to be reflected in the polls yet.  I suspect that rapcetra is correct that it's the Clinton voters coming home.

All the same, the numbers still look funny.  Gay marriage is on the Florida ballot in November, and Charlie Crist will machine the hell out of the Republican vote, count on that.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 08:49:36 AM EST
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Re: A little too early for that (none / 0)

Does Crist have any credibility to campaign against that measure? You know what am sayin ;-) hehe.


by rapcetera on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 09:23:59 AM EST
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Re: A little too early for that (none / 0)

From what I understand, it's pretty much an open secret in Florida.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 09:27:15 AM EST
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Re: A little too early for that (none / 0)

Meaning that the issue might not have as much legs in Florida as the GOP might like.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 09:39:37 AM EST
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Re: A little too early for that (none / 0)

The cognitive dissonance is going to be amazing.


The primaries are over!
Focus on McCain
by really not a troll on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 09:39:44 AM EST
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Re: A little too early for that (none / 0)

Was thinking the same thing...


by rapcetera on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 09:42:03 AM EST
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I lived there when he was elected, (none / 0)

and everyone I knew seemed to know the stories. I was in a college crowd in a college town, though, possibly more high-information on average (and motivated to spread info that could be embarassing to republicans) than residents of some other areas of the state.


Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. -Voltaire
by kydoc2 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 02:32:18 PM EST
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Never stopped them before. (none / 0)

How many times has a gay Republican worked against his own interests?

The fact that we still have as much division on the issue as we have is proof enough of the effectiveness of such cognitive dissonance.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 09:48:37 AM EST
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Oil Rig, Beach. Oil Rig, Beach (2.00 / 4)

show this picture to everyone in Florida.  Then find me 125 people who say 'neat!'...

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by chrisblask on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 09:52:39 AM EST
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Re: Oil Rig, Beach. Oil Rig, Beach (none / 0)

Is that photoshop?


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 09:55:27 AM EST
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Re: Oil Rig, Beach. Oil Rig, Beach (none / 0)

nope.


"Because after an eight-year hiatus it is vital to have a president who leads the country instead of lassoing, roping and branding it." Shaun Appleby
by chrisblask on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:09:34 AM EST
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Re: Oil Rig, Beach. Oil Rig, Beach (none / 0)

Is that you in the picture?  ;)


I will wear my heart upon my sleeve For daws to peck at
by Iago on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:50:40 AM EST
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Re: Oil Rig, Beach. Oil Rig, Beach (none / 0)

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/1520566


"Because after an eight-year hiatus it is vital to have a president who leads the country instead of lassoing, roping and branding it." Shaun Appleby
by chrisblask on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 11:00:23 AM EST
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Re: Oil Rig, Beach. Oil Rig, Beach (2.00 / 2)

Yep, that`s me, like the bathing suit? (snark!)

Lot of folks questioning that one, so here are some more google image results:
"Where was this photo taken? Is it real?"

That image was from Google Images -http://www.jamd.com/search?assettype=g&a mp;assetid=2585026&text=oil+beach+Az erbaijan

I have seen the Huntington beach ones in person.  Very Pretty.

This travel diary might even be a better one. Just what Marriot wants their guests to take home after their vacation:

Here's a fun one...

That would be just lovely to see with a Clearwater skyline, eh?  :-P


"Because after an eight-year hiatus it is vital to have a president who leads the country instead of lassoing, roping and branding it." Shaun Appleby
by chrisblask on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 11:09:20 AM EST
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Gah (none / 0)

If I saw that from Clearwater, I'd shoot myself.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 11:59:01 AM EST
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That's very distubing... (none / 0)

what's up with the speedos?


Gobama!
by USArmyParatrooper on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 11:24:07 AM EST
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Re: Oil Rig, Beach. Oil Rig, Beach (none / 0)

I think you'd get a lot of people in Florida to say "neat" if Patrick Stewart was hanging out on their beach...


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by mistersite on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 11:40:41 AM EST
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Re: Florida? Seriously? (none / 0)

I live in Florida and never got the impression that offshore drilling was that unpopular, particularly with gas prices the way they are. I am in a conservative part of the state (SW Florida), but still...  I guess if Crist and Martinez are both against it, it can't be too popular...


"I will veto every single beer!" -- John McCain
by fwiffo3 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 09:59:08 AM EST
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Re: Florida? Seriously? (none / 0)

Seems like Jeb was against it too.

It's pisses somebody off down there.

BTW:

Cheney made some idiotic comment about the Chinese drilling off the Cuban coast.

Total Cheney lie, and he had to retract, but now before Sean Hannity and Mean Jean Schmidt started talking about it.

So get ready to call "bullshit" on that one. It's probably burning up the Internets right now.


by Bush Bites on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:49:01 AM EST
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Re: Florida? Seriously? (none / 0)

McCain's own adviser on energy policy admitted that if they start drilling now, it won't have any impact on prices until 2030.

I'm not asking for flying cars, but I would hope to hell that by 2030 we've made some progress in alternative energy.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/18/top- mccain-adviser-offshore-drilling-will-ha ve-no-immediate-effect-on-gas-prices/


by BlueinColorado on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 02:11:10 PM EST
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Re: Florida? Seriously? (none / 0)

I think a better way to say it is Democrats coming home ;)!


John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.
by ihaveseenenough on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:28:03 AM EST
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Re: Florida? Seriously? (none / 0)

I'll be happy if Obama takes Florida but I simply don't believe it.   Nor North Carolina or Mississippi.

If he takes Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Ohio (in ascending order of difficulty), I'll be happy.

The campaign is a marathon, not a sprint.  Numbers change.   The McCain campaign so far has been inept, ill coordinated, and spinning its wheels.  The numbers we're seeing are as much an artifact of that as anything else.   I don't want to count on their continued ineptitude.  If it happens, great.


by InigoMontoya on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 02:52:48 PM EST
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Re: New Quinnipiac Poll! Obama up in OH, FL and PA (none / 0)

Love the news. But really love that it's Quinnipiac.  I consider them a good poll. So while its a long way to November I'm thinking "McGoverns Revenge". Has a ring to it...


by moondancer on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 08:45:12 AM EST

Re: New Quinnipiac Poll! Obama up in OH, FL and PA (none / 0)

Quinnipiac is actually one of the pollsters that has shown somewhat less favorable numbers for Obama in the past, which, in my mind, gives them pretty strong credibility with these numbers.


"I will veto every single beer!" -- John McCain
by fwiffo3 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:00:11 AM EST
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This is very good news (none / 0)

This is probably because the Obama campaign is now focused on the economy.


by puma on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 08:48:40 AM EST

Re: This is very good news (none / 0)

I have to ask, does it bother you that your screen name was co-opted by a right wing group posing as pissed of Democrats?


Two riders were approaching......the wind begins to howl!
by John in Chicago on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:19:18 AM EST
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Re: New Quinnipiac Poll! Obama up in OH, FL and PA (2.00 / 1)

Wow! Up 12 points in PA!  Sometimes I don't give my state enough credit, way to go guys.  I'd like to see a county-by-county breakdown of those results.  I mean, I know that Allegheny and Philadelphia countys support Obama but how is he doing in the rural counties and smaller cities?  It would make me very happy to so PA prove Carville wrong and have the middle of the state come out for Obama.


by Gene In PA on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 09:06:36 AM EST

Dauphin county outperformed (none / 0)

... midstate is coming out for Obama (who only won the city of pittsburgh proper, not the county)


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:15:16 AM EST
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Re: Dauphin county outperformed (none / 0)

Allegheny County as a whole will support the Democrat, I'm sure of that.  Kerry won 57% in 2004 and Gore won 56% in 2000.


by Gene In PA on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:32:35 AM EST
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for sure! (none / 0)

we may be in a machine state, but it's a Democratic Machine State, and a union state to boot!


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:49:44 AM EST
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Re: New Quinnipiac Poll! Obama up in OH, FL and PA (none / 0)

I haven't seen numbers on Indiana county but my parents are going Obama and I am working on my in-laws there.  They are very hard to read sometimes, but I think they will vote Obama.  Outside of Indiana and White Township, though...it might be a tough county.


by oliver cromwell on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:03:18 PM EST
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Re: New Quinnipiac Poll! Obama up in OH, FL and PA (none / 0)

To the diarist; you should really have gone into more detail in your diary. Graphs, charts, dialogs etc, would have been more useful.


by Makey on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 09:06:51 AM EST

Change the map!!! (none / 0)

Turn Florida blue.

Seriously, this is great news. Quinnipiac is very strong in Florida and Pennsylvania. I'm not sure I trust them on Ohio. Their strengths are: CT, NJ, PA and FL.


by elrod on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 09:12:28 AM EST

Re: Change the map!!! (none / 0)

Do you trust SUSA and Rasmussen in Ohio?

Not to get arrogant or anything, but...we're winning in Ohio. And we're going to win the election.


The primaries are over!
Focus on McCain
by really not a troll on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 09:40:56 AM EST
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Re: Change the map!!! (none / 0)

Add MN to that list per SUSA...

Obama up by just 1 in MN? Like seriously?


by rapcetera on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 09:44:19 AM EST
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Re: Change the map!!! (none / 0)

Eh, so long as we're up. SUSA is a good polster, but even they have the occasional outlier - and other MN says that's the case here.


The primaries are over!
Focus on McCain
by really not a troll on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 11:05:48 AM EST
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Re: Change the map!!! (none / 0)

I trust SUSA, Rasmussen and PPP in Ohio. And I trust the U of C Ohio Poll.  

I think we are winning in Ohio. In fact, this is the second poll showing Obama essentially tied among white voters in Ohio, which is great.


by elrod on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 09:55:33 AM EST
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So Obama CAN Win Those States? (none / 0)

I thought the primary results proved they were way beyond reach for him . . .

So we can add CO, VA, IA and NM as well as the three big swing states? Who'd've thunk it?


by Davidsfr on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 09:14:07 AM EST

Re: So Obama CAN Win Those States? (none / 0)

Iowa is pretty solid for Obama. Colorado looks that way as well.

The new swing states as of now are NC, VA, FL and NV.


by elrod on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 09:36:17 AM EST
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After McCain supported Off-shore oil rigs (none / 0)

Florida is not in play any longer.

We do not vote for oil rigs in our environmentally sensitive tourist zones down here.  Ever.

Paint FLA blue.


"Because after an eight-year hiatus it is vital to have a president who leads the country instead of lassoing, roping and branding it." Shaun Appleby
by chrisblask on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 09:39:58 AM EST
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Re: After McCain supported Off-shore oil rigs (2.00 / 1)

Not sure the drilling issue is a slam dunk yet. A Miami Herald poll showed a slight majority favoring drilling off the coast. But my guess is the passion against it is much stronger than it is for it.  I could see people voting against McCain on this issue, but nobody in FL voting FOR him on it.


by elrod on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 09:57:25 AM EST
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Miami may be more fiscally oriented. (none / 0)

I'd like to see that same poll here on the Gulf coast.  Particularly after enough time for images of oil rigs off beaches, tarballs in Galveston, oil pipelines snaking through the New Orleans bayou, oil-soaked sealife etc to be circulated.

This is another issue where the pro side cannot muster an emotional argument, and the con side can.  Big time.

And the tourist industry will be right behind us on this one.


"Because after an eight-year hiatus it is vital to have a president who leads the country instead of lassoing, roping and branding it." Shaun Appleby
by chrisblask on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:18:32 AM EST
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Re: After McCain supported Off-shore oil rigs (none / 0)

If Florida turns blue, this election is over right now. McCain can't fight that hard.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:01:35 AM EST
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Re: After McCain supported Off-shore oil rigs (none / 0)

I think PA and IA are out of play for McCain, and then he can lose no more than one of FL, OH and MI. If he somehow manages to hold Obama to just one of those big three, Obama can still win by flipping VA, NC, MO or a two of the Southwest states. Of all those, Johnny Mac only (barely) holds a lead in NC!

If the election were held today, we're looking at a 304-370 vote EV win.


"I will veto every single beer!" -- John McCain
by fwiffo3 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:20:59 AM EST
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Re: After McCain supported Off-shore oil rigs (none / 0)

Yeah!

Spread the field.

Make him round around until his face turns blue!

LOL!


by Bush Bites on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 11:03:33 AM EST
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Re: After McCain supported Off-shore oil rigs (none / 0)

How many EVs is McCain's face worth?


The primaries are over!
Focus on McCain
by really not a troll on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 11:07:06 AM EST
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Re: So Obama CAN Win Those States? (2.00 / 3)

Gosh I hate being right... ;-)

Seriously, the wonkish statistical/historical analysis demographic yada ya misses three intrinsic points:

1 - The discontent with Bush and the GOP is monstrously high and the GOP brand is at best wildly out of step with the times

2 - McCain is a particularly uninspiring candidate, and the GOP is using tried-and-true mass fear techniques he does not work well with

3 - Obama is a particularly inspiring candidate who often changes minds once folks really listen to him.

So, while historical trend analysis is not without value, it is imho bound to understate the extreme factors at play in this election.

-chris


"Because after an eight-year hiatus it is vital to have a president who leads the country instead of lassoing, roping and branding it." Shaun Appleby
by chrisblask on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 09:38:07 AM EST
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Re: So Obama CAN Win Those States? (none / 0)

yes, yes, and yes.


by oliver cromwell on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:05:45 PM EST
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Re: New Quinnipiac Poll! Obama up in OH, FL and PA (none / 0)

Here's a detailed breakdown from Marc Ambinder:

Quinnipiac's out with surveys of Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania this morning showing Obama gains in each state as compared to the last time Q-PAC polled. The sample sizes are huge -- more than 1,400 likely votes in each state, although I'm a little wary of likely voter samples at this stage. No matter:

Florida: Obama: 47, McCain 43
Ohio: Obama 48, McCain 42
Pennsylvania: Obama 52, McCain 40

The crosstabs: Obama's leading among white voters in PA, and his multi-ethnic coalition puts him over the top elsewhere. He leads by double digits about women everywhere; men are split evenly. The economy is the major issue in each state; President Bush's approval rating is highest (27%) in Florida.

Obama's getting the votes of 13% of '04 Bush voters in Florida and Ohio, and 19% in Pennsylvania. McCain gets the support of 24% of Clinton voters in PA and roughly equivalent percentages in OH and FL. So, from O's perspective, maybe it doesn't really matter that a quarter of Clinton Democrats turned Red.

Some other key findings after the jump.

More QPAC findings:

   By almost 2 - 1 margins in each state, voters say going to war in Iraq was wrong. But they split between Obama's plan to withdraw U.S. troops under a fixed timetable and McCain's plan to keep troops there until the situation stabilizes and then withdraw without a set schedule.

   Florida

   Florida women likely voters back Obama 50 - 40 percent, while men go 47 percent for McCain and 44 percent for Obama. White voters back McCain 50 - 40 percent while black voters back Obama 95 - 4 percent. Obama leads 57 -35 percent with voters 18 to 34 years old; he splits 48 - 46 percent with McCain among voters 35 to 54, and 44 - 46 percent with voters over 55.

   Ohio

   Obama leads 51 - 39 percent among Ohio women likely voters, while men go 46 percent for McCain and 45 percent for Obama. White voters also are narrowly divided with 47 percent for McCain and 44 percent for Obama, but Obama commands black voters 90 - 6 percent. The Democrat also leads 58 - 36 percent among voters 18 to 34 and 49 - 42 percent among voters 35 to 54, while McCain has the 47 - 43 percent edge among voters over 55.

   Pennsylvania

   Obama tops McCain 57 - 34 percent with women as men go 47 percent for McCain to 45 percent for Obama. Obama leads 61 - 33 percent among voters 18 to 34 years old, 51 - 41 percent among voters 35 to 54 and 48 - 43 percent with voters over 55. The Democrat inches ahead 47 - 44 percent among white voters and leads among black voters 95 - 1 percent.

   Obama gets a 54 - 25 percent favorability, to 43 - 33 percent for McCain.

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/cgi- bin/mt/mt-tb.cgi/22210


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 09:41:00 AM EST

Re: New Quinnipiac Poll! Obama up in OH, FL and PA (2.00 / 1)

One key dynamic this year is that so many people have become Democrats and there are way fewer Republicans. This is attributable to the crappy job the president and his party have done.

As a result, Obama can get fewer Democrats than McCain gets Republicans and he is still leading, including in key states.

I'm surprised by Florida, I have to say, given that it's the oldest state in the country. But Obama is doing ok with their older voters, barely behind McCain.  And, now with McCain's policy on off-shore drilling, this really gives Obama a good shot at the state. If Obama can consolidate the elderly Jewish vote in FL, this will also help him a lot.  Wexler is loved in south Florida and he supported Obama from the start. And I know that population group pretty well -- and I think that most will come home to the Democratic party.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 09:47:03 AM EST

Wexler (none / 0)

Wexler was great at the Rules & Bylaws Committee meeting.  I was quite impressed.  Blew Nelson out of the water, quite frankly.

I'm glad to have him working for Obama down there.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 09:54:09 AM EST
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Jewish voters are with Obama (2.00 / 1)

This is looking like the "Latino problem" for Obama. It doesn't exist.  My Jewish grandmother in Palm Beach County voted for Clinton in the primary but totally supports Obama. She says, "I can't imagine anybody around me voting for McCain."


by elrod on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 09:59:26 AM EST
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Re: Jewish voters are with Obama (2.00 / 1)

Well, my 81 year old Jewish mother is only now inching toward Obama. She was a serious Clinton supporter and says she can't vote for McCain. But, despite being a lifelong Democrat, she hasn't quite committed to Obama.

However, I talked to her yesterday and she's reading Obama's autobiography and said to me, "He's so intelligent."  And she listened to Al Gore and agrees that "Elections matter." So I think she'll get there, as will most folks like her.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:09:30 AM EST
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Re: Jewish voters are with Obama (2.00 / 2)

The thing with the "Jewish problem" is that there was never once a single shred of evidence to support it. There was very little polling on the issue, and the little that existed showed that there was no problem. Jewish voters were voting Democratic as much as they have in the past - or more - and Hillary and Obama were roughly splitting them.

At least with the "Latino problem", there was some polling to suggest that Hillary was beating him in that demographic (though they've shown no hesitancy to support Obama since the primary ended.)


"I will veto every single beer!" -- John McCain
by fwiffo3 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:10:37 AM EST
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Re: New Quinnipiac Poll! Obama up in OH, FL and PA (none / 0)

McCain Also Wants To Privatize Social Security.

Say it loud!


by Bush Bites on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 11:08:25 AM EST
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Great news for the VP slot (none / 0)

Means that Obama can pick someone more in line with the agenda he wants in DC rather than getting him elected.  He won't be constrained by what state they can bring or other electoral nicities.  And it doesn't have to be a military man (although he can choose one if he wants to).

Great Days are ahead


"You might well think that. I couldn't possibly comment"
by xenontab on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 09:48:17 AM EST

Re: Great news for the VP slot (none / 0)

Still like to see him pick a military man.

Bush destroyed the military and stacked the Pentagon with goofs like Patreaus.

Somebody's going to have to get a handle on that, and it would take too much of Obama's energy for him to do it alone with a Sec Def and NSA.

Besides, I'm expecting some kind of October surprise.


by Bush Bites on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 11:11:05 AM EST
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Re: New Quinnipiac Poll! Obama up in OH, FL and PA (none / 0)

We musn't get complacent. The Republican suprises in Sept/Oct have yet to kick in.


by Makey on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 09:50:57 AM EST

Run like we're 10% down. (2.00 / 1)

Complacency isn't part of the gameplan. Results like these should make us work harder, not give us cause to slack.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 09:55:01 AM EST
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Re: Run like we're 10% down. (none / 0)

No, run like we're 2% down. 10% down is depressing.


"I will veto every single beer!" -- John McCain
by fwiffo3 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:07:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Whatever (none / 0)

10% was a surmountable hurdle in the primaries, if you go back to 2007 numbers.

The point is: don't lose heart, just work like mad.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:16:03 AM EST
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Re: Run like we're 10% down. (none / 0)

You are correct. There's going to be trouble between now and then.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:10:25 AM EST
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Re: New Quinnipiac Poll! Obama up in OH, FL and PA (none / 0)

not to mention the bradley effect. If he's ahead by five in the polls, he loses. Especially if Michelle stays out there. I know his supporters are gonna say "reverse bradley" but that only happened in primary states with lots of blacks. In the GE, blacks are a smaller percentage of the electorate. a MUCH smaller percentage, about 3 times as small.


by Lakrosse on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 11:28:56 AM EST
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Has there been any recent evidence (none / 0)

of a real-world Bradley effect?


Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. -Voltaire
by kydoc2 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 02:40:42 PM EST
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where do you think the name comes from? (none / 0)

in 1982, Oakland mayor Tom Bradley ran for governor of California, and was ahead in all the polls running up to the election, the exit poll had him winning, but in the end he lost by less than a percentage point, but many believe the poll and vote discrepancies were due to whites who felt guilty for  voting against a black guy telling the pollsters what they thought they wanted to hear, and hide their racism. This almost happened to Doug Wilder in 1989, who ran for governor of Virginia, was ahead in all the polls by 10 and exit polls by that much, but won by only half a percentage point. Same thing with David Dinkins, in New York in 1989, who barely beat Giuliani, but then lost in the 1993 rematch


by Lakrosse on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 02:51:53 PM EST
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Re: where do you think the name comes from? (none / 0)

So for "recent real-world examples," your most recent is from 19 years ago, despite the fact that data is available for 50-odd primary contests from the last few months involving not only A black candidate, but in fact THE black candidate that you're predicting this is going to happen to?

Things change over the course of a couple of decades.

Barack Obama is not Tom Bradley, Doug Wilder, or David Dinkins.


Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. -Voltaire
by kydoc2 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 03:33:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

A couple things (none / 0)

1) It's interesting that independents don't want Clinton for VP but Democrats do. There are so many good potential VP picks out there, I'm sure Obama can find one that is appealing to both Democrats and Independents.

2) I reject the notion that national polls aren't showing a bounce. Obama's had a lead of 3-5 points in most national polls since the end of the primaries and he was roughly tied, or even a couple points behind in most of the national polls prior to that. That's a bounce.

It seems that a big part of the bounce has been concentrated in strong Clinton states, which in the case of OH, FL and PA is a very, very good thing.


"I will veto every single beer!" -- John McCain
by fwiffo3 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:07:11 AM EST

Re: New Quinnipiac Poll! Obama up in OH, FL and PA (none / 0)

Wow! This is fantastic news! I don't know who would be more upset by this though, the GOP or the PUMAs.


by Rictor Rockets on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:09:10 AM EST

Re: New Quinnipiac Poll! Obama up in OH, FL and PA (none / 0)

The PUMAs will ignore anything that doesn't fit their world view. They live in a system of closed logic.  They quote polls they like and then claim that ones they don't like come from pollsters who were bought by the Obama campaign (so delusional) or that the polls will change when the 527s run ads with Wright in them or the tape comes out or something else scary will happen.

Of course, the 527s will crank up eventually. But Obama is NOT Dukakis or Kerry and these times are not those times.  Plus the Wright tape won't be that shocking since people have already seen it many, many times.  

One shouldn't get too confident, but I think we're in good shape.

The Obama ace in the hole is the amazing job they do with organizing and voter registration.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:13:04 AM EST
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Re: New Quinnipiac Poll! Obama up in OH, FL and PA (none / 0)

How many PUMAs are there? Sounds like a ragtag gang of Icky Frye types.

There are certainly many Clinton voters going for Obama. But many of those were never Democrats in the first place.


by elrod on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:18:26 AM EST
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Re: New Quinnipiac Poll! Obama up in OH, FL and PA (2.00 / 1)

At some point, Chuck Todd made the point that Clinton got votes from pro-Clinton voters and anti-Obama voters. Some of the latter group were never going to vote for Obama and part of the reason was race. So it looks like the pro-Clinton voters are going to Obama and, surprise, surprise, not the anti-Obama ones.

There are not that many truly hardcore PUMA types, but they reinforce each other by communicating on their web sites. Before the web, they'd be much more isolated. Some of them will have their anger fade if they spend time in the real world and will have to explain their views to more rational people at summer barbecues, etc.  Others are just really angry people who probably get pissed off all the time about anything and everything and this is their latest cause.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:26:59 AM EST
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Agreed on PUMA. (1.00 / 0)

It is very hard to win when you're running against something. You need to give people a reason to vote FOR something or else they will just stay home.

Maybe over the next few weeks PUMA can better articulate what they are trying to accomplish and what they are angry about.


by catfish2 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 11:30:22 AM EST
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Re: Agreed on PUMA. (none / 0)

Maybe... in any case they can only articulate it better. Your're right to use the singular too, as
in the case of PUMA using the plural seems a bit of an overstatement.
by french imp on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:58:26 PM EST
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Re: Agreed on PUMA. (none / 0)

Well, you should know catfish, as a founding member.


by interestedbystander on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 01:21:28 PM EST
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Re: New Quinnipiac Poll! Obama up in OH, FL and PA (none / 0)

PUMA's? There's like 18 of 'em...


Two riders were approaching......the wind begins to howl!
by John in Chicago on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:30:56 AM EST
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Re: New Quinnipiac Poll! Obama up in OH, FL and PA (none / 0)

Well, I hope McCrazy keeps kissing PUMA ass.

He's already starting to piss off the Repub base with his praising of Hillary and the PUMAs saying McCrazy's signaling to them he'd be OK with Roe v. Wade and Gay Marriage.

(And it's not like McCrazy's very existance doesn't already piss off the Repub base.)


by Bush Bites on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 11:16:31 AM EST
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Re: New Quinnipiac Poll! Obama up in OH, FL and PA (none / 0)

Color me pessimistic, but there's a little voice in my head that says: "this is the highest he will poll this election; it's all down hill from here."  My guess is, we will have to fight like hell to win these states, early polling notwithstanding.  

Happy to be wrong...


by Captain Bathrobe on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:49:05 AM EST

Re: New Quinnipiac Poll! Obama up in OH, FL and PA (none / 0)

We do have to fight like hell. June doesn't necessarily predict November. But it's still nice to be ahead at this point.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:52:31 AM EST
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Re: New Quinnipiac Poll! Obama up in OH, FL and PA (none / 0)

Amen.  Maybe I'm being overly pessimistic, but Kerry's loss broke my heart.  

Complacency is the enemy here.


by Captain Bathrobe on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 07:39:32 PM EST
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Anything could happen this election. (1.00 / 0)

What makes you say that?

While I'm very cool toward Obama and will probably not vote for him, I think he could win. But this year has been very unpredictable and McCain could also win. Who McCain picks as veep will be a factor.


by catfish2 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 11:32:35 AM EST
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It will be either Sanford or Pawlenty (none / 0)

McCain needs someone younger who is a social conservative. I think it is going to be Sanford because he has a bunch of experience and he is well like by hard core social conservatives. You know Team McCain relishes the thought of rolling Sanford out by saying that he has more experience than Obama.

Pawlenty might help McCain in Minnesota which should be included in the calculus, but he is Catholic and not as big a wacko as Sanford.

McCain probably thinks he really needs to fire up his base so that they do the heavy GOTV lifting in November. Picking a social moderate is going to dampen GOP energy. And picking a woman would be a pure Hail Mary that is just as likely to piss off hard core Fundies who think that women shouldn't work at all.

I really think it is going to be Sanford.


by johnnyappleseed on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:39:35 PM EST
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Re: It will be either Sanford or Pawlenty (none / 0)

Conservatives will support Sen. Kay Hutchington. In fact they will have no problem getting out the vote. By the time the elecion happens the GOP will have made Obama seem the like the devil incarnate.

They will also be going after Hillary supporters by airing ads showing the race-bating that went on in the campaign. It will be paid for by 527's.

This will be the ugliest campaign in modern political history. Obama has already out slimed Bush's campaign against McCain in 2000. Convincing blacks that the former President of the United States and First Lady were engaging in race-bating was pure evil, but effective. The GOP will try to use it against him.


by mmorang on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 02:59:12 PM EST
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Over and over and over (none / 0)

with the "Convincing blacks that the former President of the United States and First Lady were engaging in race-bating" line. Give it a rest. Barack Obama did nothing to convince me (or anyone else) that the Clintons were engaging in race-baiting. Obama down-played that every time he was asked about it. You know what convinced me?

"Jesse Jackson won South Carolina in '84 and '88. Jackson ran a good campaign. And Obama ran a good campaign here." - Bill Clinton

"[an AP article] found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me. There's a pattern emerging here." -Hillary Clinton

Now, I don't believe for a second that the Clintons are racist. But during the primary campaign, they tried to use race against Obama. They did it. It's there, on record, in their own words, for everyone to see. So quit with your "Obama is evil 'cause he framed the Clintons" b.s., pleasepleaseplease!!!!!


Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. -Voltaire
by kydoc2 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 03:44:40 PM EST
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Re: Over and over and over (none / 0)

What are you talking about? He did not downplay it at every turn. He brought it up himself just a few weeks ago.

His campaign sent out emails to all the reporters saying that Bill Clinton's comments were race-bating. They definately were not.

Also, just a few weeks ago, and long after everyone knew the SD's would give the nomination to Obama, his campaign sent out emails to everyone and there mother saying that Hillary's comment about races lasting until June were not uncommon where she referred to Kennedy's assasination were totally out of line. They implied she was asking for HIS assasination. That is Obama's staff who were sending out the emails while Obama himself was saying "I take her at her word".

He says one thing to the camera while his campaign is trashing Hillary. What was the point? The race was already over.

The fact is that many African Americans do think the Clinton's engaged in race-bating and its no accident. They wouldn't benefit from that behavior and they are not that stupid. It was a simple campaign ploy by team-Obama and it apparently worked.


by mmorang on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 05:50:53 PM EST
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Re: Over and over and over (none / 0)

Let's give the whole quote with context:

Reporter: "is Obama so good that it takes the two of you to beat him?"

Bill Clinton walking away on his way to his car: "Jesse Jackson won here in 1984 & 1988, he ran a good race, Obama ran a good race here, he's run a good race EVERYWHERE, but there are still many contests to go"

Clinton was clearly advocating for his wife and downplaying or marginalizing his wife's opponents victory. That is exactly what he's supposed to do. He's not Obama's chearleader. Jesse Jackson was seen as a one-hit-wonder so the comparison was to marginalize the victory. Jesse Jackson said there wasn't a thing wrong with the statement and of course there wasn't.

The Clinton's didn't put that statement and email it to everyone. The Obama team is the one who sent the email to everyone and said it was race-bating. Obama is the one who gained, not the Clinton's. Everyone knows Obama is black. big deal.

Jesse Jackson Jr.: "Hillary didn't cry for Katrina". Pure race-bating.

They also said that Hillary was dissing MLK. That is utterly and completely absurd.


by mmorang on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 06:00:07 PM EST
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Re: Over and over and over (2.00 / 1)

Dude, don't even try with it. Anytime you see a comment that says something along the lines of "Obama has run the dirtiest campaign in presidential history", you know you're not going to win.

"Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig."


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 06:34:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Lessons From Karl Rove (none / 0)

John Kerry's biggest strength was that he was a decorated war hero who served in Vietnam even though he didn't have to. So, Karl Rove decided to attack Kerry's war record and patriotism. It worked.

Hillary and Bill Clinton were very popular in the AA community. They had supported civil rights for decades. Taken heat for supporting Affirmative Action. Bill Clinton's foundation has already provided free AIDS medicine to literally millions of blacks. So what did David Axelrod do? He attacked the Clinton's on race-bating. Brilliant and evil.

As for your reference to Hillary Clinton's comments to some Super Delegates, when you are making a case for yourself and against your opponent, you need to talk about the demographic support you have. You discuss your strengths and your opponents weakneses. Both sides do it and there isn't a thing wrong with it. You discuss how you do with whites, blacks, hispanics, the elderly, the educated, etc. If you want, you can tape the conversation and try to make it into something its not, like racists remarks.

Again, the Clinton's haven't said anything remotely racists. They comments were spun that way for political purposes, plain and simple.

This was a planned line of attack from the beginning. The Republicans will be running ads showing the race-bating in an attempt to win over Hillary supporters. The 527's will be paying for them.


by mmorang on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 06:34:29 PM EST
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Turnout Will Be off the Charts (none / 0)

This election will have the highest turnout in modern history.

The black turnout will be off-the-chart high but so will the white turnout. There will be many propositions to get people out to the polls and the GOP will have no trouble tuuning Obama into a polorizing figure and turning out there supporters.

Jesse Jackson registered a record number of AA's in the 1980's but he also drove up white turnout among the GOP and the Dem's lost badly.

When Obama makes it official that Hillary has been kicked to the curb McCain will have his opening.


by mmorang on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 03:11:12 PM EST
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Re: Turnout Will Be off the Charts (none / 0)

I don't think that Obama putting Hillary on the ticket is going to be as big an issue as you make it out to be.  While I think there is a hard core of Clinton supporters who will never vote for Obama under any circumstances, I think that the number of people for whom Hillary as veep is make or break is relatively small.  Not basing this on any data, mind; it's just my gut feeling.

Also, I doubt she would even want to be VP, where she would be required to smile and agree with Obama on everything.  In the Senate, she can remain an independent voice and maintain the same high profile she has always had, with a lot more power and responsibility.  Simply put, she doesn't need to be VP; I can't imagine why she would want it.  I think she just wants right of first refusal.


by Captain Bathrobe on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 07:50:21 PM EST
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Re: Anything could happen this election. (none / 0)

What makes you say that?

Simple.  I'm a Democrat.  We have a knack for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

I think this election is going to be very, very close.  And we know what Republicans do with close elections.  (Hint: it rhymes with "wheat.")

Again, if I'm wrong, no one will be happier than I.


by Captain Bathrobe on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 07:37:45 PM EST
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Quick question (none / 0)

How did Quinnipiac do in their primary predictions?


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 01:44:28 PM EST

Re: Quick question (none / 0)

They nailed PA and OH.


by rapcetera on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 01:57:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Quick question (none / 0)

THanks.


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 02:17:47 PM EST
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Don't believe the polls. Bradley Effect (none / 0)

Obama's polls are overstated as they were in Ca where they showed him up and he ended up getting blown out. People are affraid of being thought of as racists so they lie to the pollsters. It's already happended in a few contests this year.

McCain will pick a much younger, and probably female, VP. The Republicans will be running ads showing the race-bating that went on in the campaign in an attempt to win McCain some Hillary supporters.

The campaign is going to get very ugly.


by mmorang on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 02:47:28 PM EST

dont' forget this commercial (none / 0)

and this is likely what the mcCain crew will do in the very last days of the campaign


by Lakrosse on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 02:56:56 PM EST
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Re: Don't believe the polls. Bradley Effect (none / 0)

OK, so that is McCain's strategy, what is Obama going to do? What does he have planned?


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 06:38:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

shit (none / 0)

just the other day I was thinking Florida was pretty much a lost cause, and the path to victory went through Ohio and Iowa, then we get this doozy of a poll.  Up 4 in Florida?  Holy crap!  Pennsylvania a blowout?  Wow.

Will McCain even hit 200 electoral votes?


by Skaje on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 03:23:03 PM EST


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